As a Philippine resident I eagerly awaited the launching of Paypal in the country. Finally, I can make all the online transactions I want with the least amount of hassle. So I immediately went out and got myself a UnionBank EON Visa Electron debit card and got myself a Premier Paypal account.

It turns out that PayPal’s ease of use comes at a very high premium. At least for those who need to transact more than $500 a month, you have no choice but to get a Premier account, which allows unlimited transactions, but you get charged a certain amount (around 1.3%) per transaction.

Looking at my balance sheet, I have made $1,387.5 worth of transactions so far and been charged $55.01, netting me $1,332.49.
$55.01 * 42.93 (rate as of 11/15/2007) = 2,361.5793 Philippine pesos
Okay fine, so PayPal needs to earn money to stay in business. That’s cool.
So what’s my problem?
First off, I am withdrawing money to my UnionBank E-On Card, and in doing so I will be converting from USD to PHP at the bank’s USD buying rate. Which sucks, because we are currently at ~ 43 PhP to 1 USD.
Second, I can only transfer up to $500 per day, which sucks because not only do I have to let a day pass I will also have to pay the $10 transaction fee for every $500 that I want to bring out.

Errr sure, no problem. Except that it takes 5-7 days for money to clear from PayPal to UnionBank.
Way to go, PayPal. Thank you for killing my business.
Anyway, because the Peso to Dollar exchange rate has been really bad I have no plans to convert my money at all. I have been thinking that I should start trading U.S. stocks or buy US T-Bills or join a USD mutual fund to offset the fees and fight depreciation. Would that be a good idea? How do other Filipino entrepreneurs manage their “virtual” dollars?
Would love to hear from you. Post a comment or email me [at] dennisonuy dot ph
15 Responses to PayPal Killed My Business
mark
November 15th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
I don’t know the comfort level of your clients with the system but Xoom.com might work for you. It’s a remittance service from the US to RP and isn’t really like Paypal. However, you don’t have to pay Xoom everytime you take-out money – it actually goes directly to your bank account in RP, in pesos (which is comparative with UnionBank’s rates anyway). Xoom charges the sender a fixed fee. We’ve tried Western Union, etc and so far Xoom works well. Just don’t expect ‘instant’ transfers. ( http://urltea.com/23ym )
You have to double check on the requirements for investing in the US (necessary tax info, etc). There are some hidden costs that might be bigger than the fees you’re avoiding.
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Euri
November 16th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Yeah, PayPal’s charge is not the big. The thing is, USD rates drop at an alarming speed these days. I heard there are tons of Money Exchange business that refuses to exchange USD and some, are exchanging in fix rates now until it would stop dropping that much. If not, they’ll lose quite a lot.
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mark
November 16th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Just wondering what happened to my previous comment.
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Dennison Uy - Graphic Designer
November 16th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
@mark
Akismet killed it. LOL. It’s there now!
I have been using Xoom for the longest time as an alternative to Western Union and it has worked very well for me. One issue that I have always had with them is that their interface has so many options that it confuses the sender. Also, I prefer to receive my money in USD rather than PHP or having it automatically transferred to my account because a lot is lost in the conversion process. That is one way by which these remittance services make a profit. This causes issues and delays in getting the money. One time I had to go to their head office in Manila just to claim my money because the sender selected the “courier” option and typed the address incorrectly.
Other than that I never have problems picking up Xoom money because Banco De Oro is just a few steps away from where I am.
@Euri
The drop in USD is further aggravated by the strengthening Philippine Peso … which should be good for Philippine citizens, right? Except I don’t feel it … I am still buying the same stuff at the same prices.
dimaks
November 17th, 2007 at 9:38 am
perhaps hoarding your money inside paypal for a while will help?
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Dennison Uy - Graphic Designer
November 17th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
I don’t think so dimaks
Watz
November 20th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Will it be better to just use the Equitable PCI bank Visa Electron? Will that work, if it does, you will not be worried of limits.
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Dennison Uy - Graphic Designer
November 21st, 2007 at 2:38 pm
@Watz the limit is with PayPal and not the card
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Paul
December 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
What the hell are you thinking of trading in US stocks for when the dollar is crashing and going to fall even more.
Dennison Uy - Graphic Designer
December 25th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Paul the dollar can keep going down but it will remain the international standard. I also trade Philippine stocks so it is natural for me to be interested in trading stocks in another market, and I just happen to have unused dollars. I buy stuff in the U.S. with my dollars so there is no conversion involved. I am not worried at all.
Paul
December 25th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
I am interested what you buy in the US because most US products are made in Asia and one hell of a lot cheaper in Asia, As I now live in the Philippines I do notice this strange believe that so many Filipinos have that goods from the US are better when in fact they are the same..
The dollar may be a international standard certainly not the international standard, but it is fast losing out to the Euro, even many of the oil producing countries now trade in Euro and more will switch soon the dollar is finished because of this.
I find it strange as well that so many Filipinos put their money in dollar accounts, when I moved here I was advised to do that which I refused, I kept some money in my UK bank but that was only for when I go home the rest I put in a peso account it is no good to me and no good to the country for me to have dollars. I was laughed at and told I was stupid, now the dollar has crashed it is the people that told me I was stupid that have lost a lot of money because of dollar accounts.
Dennison Uy - Graphic Designer
December 26th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
@Paul
Have you checked the prices of laptops, peripherals (routers, video cards) and tech toys (digicams, PDAs, media players, gaming systems)? They are definitely cheaper in the U.S. which is why I never purchase laptops locally. By “cheap” I am referring to value for money e.g. for 40k pesos you can buy a dual core P4 with 256Mb RAM when you can purchase a core duo with 2Gb RAM in the U.S. minus shipping of course (true to life example).
I agree with you that there is a certain standard that Filipinos put on foreign goods when the local equivalent is just as good or sometimes better. This may sound irrational but not entirely without basis. I am of the belief however, that purchasing items solely due to brand recognition or the country that it was made is a waste of money. Why buy $30 Havaianas when you can buy local slippers for $2?
I only purchase items online that are not available locally. I do take time to find a local equivalent first because this will save me both time and money, however some items are simply not available locally. One such example is that I recently purchased Threadless t-shirts (I just love their designs) and decorative stuff for my business that I can never find anywhere.
I am not sure if Filipinos do put their money in dollar accounts or why — it makes no sense to me either. I think you are just making an uninformed conjecture. I am not sure why local banks would recommend that you open a dollar account. Did you inform them that you are European?
I get paid in dollars, as do many OFWs (I am not an OFW though), so I guess that explains why many Filipinos have dollar accounts. It makes no sense to me to convert my dollars to peso and vice versa when I can keep my money in their original form and spend / earn interest in a similar fashion. I am not a financial expert though, so I am probably wrong, that is why I am asking for help
Love your comments, keep them coming. Cheers!
Chris Cavanagh
May 18th, 2008 at 3:16 am
I cant beleive no ones come up with an equal to paypal yet. I though Goole would do it, but there system can be way too buggy.
Mike
May 18th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Many companies have tried and in the UK there is a very good one called NoChex, they and others have tried going international, but there is one big problem, the international money laundering laws the USA has forced on us all, they make it almost imposable for companies to trade and put in rules like people can’t buy using credit card unless they fax a copy of their passport, and customers do not want to do that.
The interesting thing is these laws seem to apply to every company except PayPal.
Filipinos are all way shouting about corruption, I wonder where they learnt to be corrupt, probably from the USA, its just the USA are better at hiding it.
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